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PostPosted: Oct 27, 2015 3:43 am 
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A 100MW reactor is peanuts compared to the EPR. Suppliers could own and operate it themselves.
Once running and cleared by regulators, the banks could advance money like other power plants.


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PostPosted: Oct 27, 2015 11:07 am 
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But the capital cost per kilowatt will be ridiculous for a 100MWe plant.

And it has been decided by Ofgem and the DECC that Suppliers are to be discouraged from owning power plants as it is causing all sorts of horrendous market distortions that help to prop up the current oligopoly.


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PostPosted: Oct 31, 2015 6:51 am 
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Are a-edf are already in that position. Westinghouse could build the first one on BOO basis. They could be paid when it is working satisfactorily. They take the risk on first one.
A 100MW plant could be completed early from prefab components and built cheaper.


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PostPosted: Sep 15, 2016 5:17 am 
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Hinkley has been given the go ahead again:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... s-go-ahead

It seems the budget is about $8000/KWh.

The Moorside budget is still £10 billion, or £3,000/KW, which is about $4,000. At VC Summer, the AP1000 cost is now fixed at $3500/KW.

(http://analysis.nuclearenergyinsider.co ... build-cost - third article)


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PostPosted: Sep 22, 2016 2:20 am 
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Around all the hype and nonsense, this is an interesting article related to a subject critical for all nuclear power: project management

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/n ... ey-point-c

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“We’ve worked extensively with our industrial partners to plan the build – actually we’ve already ‘built’ Hinkley Point C in 3D computer model form, rather than just on paper.


The 3D computer model sounds, at the same time, pretty amazing and pretty basic. Basic in that aircraft manufacturers and industrial designers have been doing this for over a decade - and I assume every serious SMR developer will be doing this. But for a full size NPP it might be pretty amazing to see. It must be a big set of CAD files.


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PostPosted: Sep 22, 2016 4:31 am 
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Countries other than UK and France are really out of place in opposing Hinkley Point. However the fact remains that it is too costly and big to be affordable. This justifies the merits of opposition. If they go ahead with Brexit, all justification ceases.
What the UK can do profitably is to
a. Resume building of AGR modified to use Th-Pu fuel.They could also introduce a blanket to make it a breeder or near breeder.
b. Take up the fast MSR Prism offer.


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PostPosted: Jul 03, 2017 10:40 pm 
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EDF raises cost estimates for Hinkley Point after review

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After a review, EDF said the cost of completion had increased by 1.5 billion pounds to stand at 19.6 billion pounds - an increase that means its predicted rate of return on investment will fall to 8.5 percent from 9 percent previously. The review, carried out after the final investment decision was made, looked into design and engineering plans, the amount of work that has to be carried out and further discussions with suppliers, EDF said. EDF also said there was a risk of delayed delivery of the project of 15 months for Unit 1 and nine months for Unit 2, which would add a further 700 million pounds to costs. The company said it was on track to meet its target of pouring first concrete for the reactor in mid-2019, with unit 1 set to be producing by 2025.


19.6e9 GBP = 25.33e9 USD
24.33e9 USD / 3.2e9 W = 7.9 USD/W.


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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2017 4:54 am 
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19.6 billion pounds for two EPRs amounts to 8000 pounds per kw. A prototype FBR in India may be completed for 750 million pounds, or 1500 pounds per kw. Prism or a Russian fast reactor may cost somewhere in between.
If they have to import reactors, they had best get fast reactors Prism /Russian to begin with and eventually move to fast salt breeders.


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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2017 7:13 am 
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Yes, but unfortunately you can't build a reactor in the west for Indian prices.
People won't work hard every day for a shiny penny.

A better comparison would be the four Enhanced CANDU-6s (~3000MWe total) of the CANMOX proposal that would cost ~£12.8bn


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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2017 1:47 pm 
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Disappointing to see the Hinkley price go up. On the other hand, in dollar terms it's unchanged, which begs the question, how much of the rise is down to the devaluation of the pound?

$8,000/KW should be the high point for reactor technologies.

Atkins evaluated the Moltex design at a conservative $2,000/KW, so I would suggest, here, that molten salt reactors are the way to go.


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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2017 1:14 am 
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E Ireland wrote:
Yes, but unfortunately you can't build a reactor in the west for Indian prices.
People won't work hard every day for a shiny penny.

A better comparison would be the four Enhanced CANDU-6s (~3000MWe total) of the CANMOX proposal that would cost ~£12.8bn

Fast reactors could be built in Russia on floating barges and towed to U.K. Coast at a lower cost than the EPR. Per MW, I mean.


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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2017 12:33 pm 
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And what happens when Putin presses a button in the Kremlin and triggers mechanisms that wreck the reactors to ensure we cannot disobey his commands?


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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2017 8:38 pm 
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Same could happen with the French after brexit!


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PostPosted: Jul 07, 2017 4:51 am 
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jagdish wrote:
Same could happen with the French after brexit!

Why do you think I push the CANDU? :cool:


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PostPosted: Jul 09, 2017 4:41 am 
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jagdish wrote:
19.6 billion pounds for two EPRs amounts to 8000 pounds per kw. A prototype FBR in India may be completed for 750 million pounds, or 1500 pounds per kw. Prism or a Russian fast reactor may cost somewhere in between.
If they have to import reactors, they had best get fast reactors Prism /Russian to begin with and eventually move to fast salt breeders.

More like £6000, or $8000.

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