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PostPosted: Nov 27, 2013 10:00 pm 
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Russ wrote:
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I would have never guessed... I don't feel wet most of the time.



I am almost sure that you are kidding, but in the event you are not, here is a picture.

http://physicsforme.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/the-500-phases-of-matter/

The 500 Phases of Matter

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An Artist’s impression of a string-net of light and electrons. String-nets are a theoretical kind of topologically ordered matter. (Credit: Image courtesy of Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics)

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PostPosted: Dec 16, 2013 7:09 pm 
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Axil wrote:
... a recent experiment in quantum physics seems to support TSVF.

In this experiment, by placing a double-slit experiment along one path of a larger double-slit experiment, the researchers have shown that photons traverse a section of the apparatus that they neither enter nor exit.

Light can get inside a dark place without any windows to enter of exit.


This constitutes proof that the universe is based on magic.


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PostPosted: Dec 17, 2013 1:37 am 
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Steve Brown wrote:
Axil wrote:
... a recent experiment in quantum physics seems to support TSVF.

In this experiment, by placing a double-slit experiment along one path of a larger double-slit experiment, the researchers have shown that photons traverse a section of the apparatus that they neither enter nor exit.

Light can get inside a dark place without any windows to enter of exit.


This constitutes proof that the universe is based on magic.


Magic is just science that we don't understand.

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PostPosted: Dec 17, 2013 1:51 am 
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NicholasJanssen wrote:
I believe in what can be proven, and observed.


from the mordern experimental viewpoint, Quark and gluon have already been found. Some of my schoolmate worked for quark-gluon plasma(QGP) with STAR detector in RHIC/BNL .


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PostPosted: Dec 17, 2013 5:22 am 
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Steve Brown wrote:
Axil wrote:
... a recent experiment in quantum physics seems to support TSVF.

In this experiment, by placing a double-slit experiment along one path of a larger double-slit experiment, the researchers have shown that photons traverse a section of the apparatus that they neither enter nor exit.

Light can get inside a dark place without any windows to enter of exit.


This constitutes proof that the universe is based on magic.

I can't find the source link. I did a search on those quotes in the links in this thread AFAIK, and came up with nothing. What is the source?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_vector_formalism
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Similarly as the de Broglie–Bohm theory, TSVF yields the same predictions as standard quantum mechanics.

So, I'm curious what I'm missing. Probably some wonderful (and wrong) claims about quantum theory. Regardless, should make for an interesting read.

As for the other part about photons getting into a place without entrances or exits. It sounds a lot like quantum tunneling, a well understood - or at least well described - phenomenon. Again, I'd have to see the source to comment further.


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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2013 12:53 am 
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Joshua Maurice wrote:
Steve Brown wrote:
Axil wrote:
... a recent experiment in quantum physics seems to support TSVF.

In this experiment, by placing a double-slit experiment along one path of a larger double-slit experiment, the researchers have shown that photons traverse a section of the apparatus that they neither enter nor exit.

Light can get inside a dark place without any windows to enter of exit.


This constitutes proof that the universe is based on magic.

I can't find the source link. I did a search on those quotes in the links in this thread AFAIK, and came up with nothing. What is the source?

The acronym appears to be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_vector_formalism
Quote:
Similarly as the de Broglie–Bohm theory, TSVF yields the same predictions as standard quantum mechanics.

So, I'm curious what I'm missing. Probably some wonderful (and wrong) claims about quantum theory. Regardless, should make for an interesting read.

As for the other part about photons getting into a place without entrances or exits. It sounds a lot like quantum tunneling, a well understood - or at least well described - phenomenon. Again, I'd have to see the source to comment further.



Is this what you want?

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.7469v2.pdf

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PostPosted: Dec 18, 2013 4:14 pm 
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Axil wrote:

I think so, yes. Thank you.

Some reading, and some skimming, confirm what I already knew:
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Indeed, the TSVF adds no new predictions beyond standard quantum mechanics. It just provides a simple intuitive picture of pre- and postselected quantum systems.

So, everything is normal. Conventional quantum mechanics still works. Quantum mechanics is still mysterious. Plenty of partly or completely implausible "interpretations" abound (depending on what you aesthetically find to be plausible).


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