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PostPosted: Jul 01, 2015 12:10 am 
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Carol Marcus: "Although low level radiation absorbed dose may cause cellular damage, this radiation also up-regulates a system of protective mechanisms … that counteract the damage and then protect far more than they were damaged in the first place.”
Even if we assume that low-level radiation is capable of up-regulating DNA protection, it would still be preferable to obtain this same degree of protection without having to expose cells to potentially lethal hit-n-miss nuclear radiation. Could a chemical means be used to initiate the protective mechanisms?
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Michael.runyan: "this Carol Marcus predates the Star Trek one by decades…"
No, check your facts - the dates and locations match. Your link is to a 75 year old female living in Beverly Hills, Los Angeles County, CA. The actress who played Dr. Marcus in the Original Star Trek series, Bibi Besch, used to live in Beverly Hills, and if she was still alive would be 75 years old.
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KitemanSA: "Here is the IRS Request for Comment. I have commented already…"
KitemanSA, I know it is difficult, but try to stay focused. FYI, the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) requested public comments, not the IRS. As I explained above, one of the symptoms of overexposure is short-term memory failure. If you absolutely must comment, please don’t embarrass Kirk (or the rest of us) by implying you represent energyfromthorium. Luckily, it isn’t too late to retract the comments you already submitted, we can assist you.


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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2015 12:20 am 
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KitemanSA: "Here is the IRS Request for Comment. I have commented already…"
KitemanSA, I know it is difficult, but try to stay focused. FYI, the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) requested public comments, not the IRS. As I explained above, one of the symptoms of overexposure is short-term memory failure. If you absolutely must comment, please don’t embarrass Kirk (or the rest of us) by implying you represent energyfromthorium. Luckily, it isn’t too late to retract the comments you already submitted, we can assist you.
Wow, a fellow writes down the wrong FedGov agency and you have to get all nasty about it. Does it make you feel better? Does it make you feel worthy? Does it help to get your nastiness off your little mind?

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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2015 12:43 am 
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The problem was not that the individual doses were massive; Radithor came in low doses, only 1 microcurie of radium per bottle. But, unlike tritium, which quickly flushes out of the body, radium is a “bone seeker” with a biological longevity that is measured in years, not days. Long term consumption of radium causes deposits to build up inside the bones. Once there, radioactive exposure cannot be turned off. The additive accumulation of radioactivity over time was the “killer” issue, not the size of individual doses. If those hormesis folks were foolish enough to start taking your low-dose regiment (1 mSv/d), they all would be dead within a few years.

Seems our Know it all doen't know about Ramsar where dose rates EXCEED 1mSv/d in certain areas, and they are alive and well their whole lives long; certainly not dead in a few years. SMH

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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2015 12:54 am 
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BSFusion wrote:
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Michael.runyan: "this Carol Marcus predates the Star Trek one by decades…"
No, check your facts - the dates and locations match. Your link is to a 75 year old female living in Beverly Hills, Los Angeles County, CA. The actress who played Dr. Marcus in the Original Star Trek series, Bibi Besch, used to live in Beverly Hills, and if she was still alive would be 75 years old.
Again, it seems "Mr. Know it All "cannot read. Just for a bit of reality check:
The phrase "the Star Trek one" can reasonably be interpreted two ways, the real way and the fictional way. The real way, "Dr. Carol Markus" of Star Trek was a character that first appeared in the 70s if typical movie making schedules were followed (maybe the 60s in a draft script). The Carol S. Marcus, MD is ~75. She appeared in about 1940. That is several decades prior to the charachter.
Fictionally, Dr Marcus of ST hasn't been borne yet, by a long way. So surely several centuries are also more than one decade. MRunyan was quite correct.

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PostPosted: Jul 11, 2015 4:16 pm 
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...your little mind? Dweeb.
Another symptom of radiation overexposure is increased mental frustration. Thus, your rude behavior.
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The problem was not that the individual doses were massive; Radithor came in low doses, only 1 microcurie of radium per bottle. But, unlike tritium, which quickly flushes out of the body, radium is a “bone seeker” with a biological longevity that is measured in years, not days. Long term consumption of radium causes deposits to build up inside the bones. Once there, radioactive exposure cannot be turned off. The additive accumulation of radioactivity over time was the “killer” issue, not the size of individual doses. If those hormesis folks were foolish enough to start taking your low-dose regiment (1 mSv/d), they all would be dead within a few years.
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Seems our Know it all doen't know about Ramsar where dose rates EXCEED 1mSv/d in certain areas, and they are alive and well their whole lives long; certainly not dead in a few years. SMH
According to wikipedia, Ramsar holds the world's record for highest background radiation, 131 mSv/a (0.36 mSv/d). This is less than 1 mSv/d, contradicting what you wrote. Regardless, the pathways are incommensurate; background radiation originates outside the body, whereas ingested Radithor produces internal radiation that impinges directly on active (replicating) cells. It is important to realize that internal cells are protected from external radiation by a layer of dead skin, which acts as an impenetrable shield that harmlessly stops all alpha- and beta-particles. Also realize, there is no protection provided by dead skin after ingesting Radithor since radium (active ingredient) bio-accumulates inside a person’s body. Note, bone marrow is particularly radiation sensitive, with a tissue weighting factor about ten times higher than most other body tissues. Let’s do some math. If those hormesis folks start drinking 1 mSv of Ra water per day, and if only 75% of the Ra ingested is excreted, then the dose just from retained Ra after the nth day of this regiment would be (n * 0.25 * 1 mSv). The accumulated dose on the nth day would be 1 + 1.25 + 1.50 + … + (1+0.25*n) = [(n+7)n/8] mSv. That’s 17 Sv in just the first year. If anyone were still alive on the 8th year, their daily dose would be 731 mSv/d, and the accumulated dose would be a whopping 1068 Sv. Since 1 Sv carries a 5.5% chance of developing cancer, it should come as no surprise that, just like Eben Byers, they also would require lead-lined coffins.
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Radiation hormesis was not observed in a study that also recommended that Ramsar does not provide justification to relax existing regulatory dose limits. Pending further study, the potential health risks have moved scientists to call for relocation of the residents and regulatory control of new construction.
KitemanSA, as a senior member of this forum, you should know that posting comments that haven't been fact-checked is discourteous and irritating - wading through reams of mistake-ridden rubbish unduly burdens us. Before beginning another hasty reply, it would be helpful for you to pause and consider why the rest of us disagree with you.

The relationship between committed dose and cancer is almost certainly non-linear. For example, iodine-131 is notable in that high doses of the isotope are sometimes less dangerous than low doses, because high doses tend to kill thyroid tissues that would otherwise become cancerous as a result of low dose radiation. Rather than support hormesis, this example confounds it.
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Again, it seems "Mr. Know it All "cannot read…"Dr. Carol Markus" of Star Trek… Carol S. Marcus, MD
KitemanSA, there is no k in "Dr. Carol Markus" of Star Trek. It is exceptionally dishonest to put quotes around that misspelled name, and then proceed as if the new spelling distinguishes it from the other, supposed medical doctor Carol S Marcus, MD. FYI, the Star Trek character was an expert in radiation-induced cell mutation, and her invention, the Genesis device, unintentionally brought Spock’s corpse (killed by radiation) back to life. With respect to Spock’s resurrection, Radithor’s slogan “cure for the living dead” fits Carol Marcus perfectly. In conclusion, we find you guilty of offering improper support for Dr. Carol (S)poof Marcus, a plausible radiation hormesis prankster.

Moderator, please consider (1) locking this topic and (2) revoking KitemanSA’s posting privileges.


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Agree on the locking of the topic.


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