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 Post subject: ACRS signs off on AP1000
PostPosted: Sep 27, 2011 9:35 am 
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Don't expect to see this positive news about new nuclear construction in the media but this morning it was announced the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards (ACRS) signed off on the fixes to concerns about the AP1000 shield building.

This means that for Vogtle and VC Summer the mandatory public hearing, the 60 day comment period and the final Combined Construction and Operating License issuance are all that remain for these 4 AP1000s to be built and go into operation. Both sites are sitting ready to pour nuclear concrete, they are just waiting for permission. It's been a 10+ year journey but this is really great news. These plants WILL happen. Once these 4 units are online (or close) other utilities will use them as an example and be able to move forward. The is the first bow wave (I hope) of a new series of new nuclear plants in the US.

http://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_ ... 92702.aspx


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PostPosted: Sep 28, 2011 5:46 am 
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I'm not conforted at all. The AP1000 is based on the AP600 which is 30 year old technology.

30 years. And they still can't build it. You say its almost going to happen now. But they said that 5 years ago as well.

They'll probably find something else in those 60 days. They always do. And even if they don't they'll find something to retract or delay when the concrete is being poured. Which is even worse (it is a big factor in the cost overruns of previous US nuclear plants).

If you want to develop a new reactor, first thing you do is *get out* of the USA.


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PostPosted: Sep 28, 2011 9:29 pm 
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I understand why you feel this way.

I refuse to give up.


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PostPosted: Oct 29, 2011 5:05 am 
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We are halfway into the 60 day hearing period. Any news yet?


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PostPosted: Oct 29, 2011 11:28 am 
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Vogle had their public meeting Sep 26/27. The 60 day period started after that. No issues as far as I heard.

VC Summer had their public public meeting just Oct 12/13. No issues as far as I have heard. So the 60 clocks are running for both now.


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PostPosted: Dec 05, 2011 9:02 am 
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60 day comment period for Vogtle is over. What's the status?


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PostPosted: Dec 05, 2011 10:28 am 
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Haven't heard anything good or bad.

I'll keep you guys in the loop if I do.


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PostPosted: Dec 05, 2011 11:33 am 
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Why is this good news? The Chinese can build them if they want, but shouldn't we in the US be pushing for LFTR's ?


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PostPosted: Dec 05, 2011 12:18 pm 
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MrGadget wrote:
Why is this good news? The Chinese can build them if they want, but shouldn't we in the US be pushing for LFTR's ?


It took 30 years to get a new generation PWR to market on a GWe deployment level. In those 30 years lots more coal plants were built.

Now imagine how long it will take to get a deviant reactor design like LFTR to market on GWe level. At least 50 years if the NRC is the regulator.

Better to displace coal with AP1000s now while the LFTR gets developed.

There's good synergy between the AP1000 and the LFTR. The AP1000 will make lots of good plutonium to startup LFTRs. The French work on their molten salt fast fluoride reactor showed plutonium from LWRs is a better startup fuel than low enriched uranium.


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PostPosted: Dec 06, 2011 11:26 pm 
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I am not seeing much out of the licensing approval. They are still faced with the same set of difficulties in term of deployments. Any DOE loan guarantees here could be even riskier than the Solyndra loan guarantees.

T. Wang


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PostPosted: Dec 07, 2011 10:31 am 
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Then you are not familiar with the situation at those two sites (Vogle and VC Summer). They are both WELL along in site preparation and ready to begin pouring nuclear concrete for actual plant construction. You can see this for yourself using satellite images, check google maps.

Both sites are financially pretty much set. Vogle has it's financing ready and VC Summer appears to be mostly self financing.


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PostPosted: Dec 07, 2011 11:02 am 
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Here's an older schedule on the licensing of the US new build locations:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/djysrv/SGG1w1X6qjI ... 5B6%5D.png

They are slightly behind schedule for the combined construction and operation license, but not much.


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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2011 8:49 am 
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Bad news is already coming in:

http://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_ ... 12201.aspx

Delay & conquer is still working fine for anti-nuclear development interests (including the NRC).


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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2011 11:35 am 
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I knew about that meeting during my post from December 5th Cyril.

Look at it in context, they are telling their state regulator that there may be a 5 month delay to the commercial operation date 5 years from now. Thats a pretty tight schedule. The commercial operation date is the trigger for many legal things and it's important to communicate any changes or possible changes to it well in advance. Thats not bad news from an external entity suing to stop construction or some other 1970's craziness, it's unforseen delays or corrections to estimates of how long things will take. By no means is it a good situation to have to inform the state regulator of this probable delay, but it's not a sign of things to come either.

Think of it this way, Vogle and VC Summer have each already spent nearly $2 billion dollars so far, that money bought site preparation and pre-ordered reactor vessels, steam generators, pressurizers, concrete batch plants, RCP's etc. Things that require 100% up front payment to build. Both companies are pretty determined. IMHO both these projects WILL happen. Will they go online as scheduled in 2016? We'll see, it may be there are delays into 2017. But these plants will go into service. Both companies are really going "all in" to make this happen.

Go to google maps and you can get satellite images for yourself to see whats been done.

Here is Lattitude/Longitude to load into Google Earth:
VC Summer Units 2&3: 34°17'7.57"N / 81°19'13.92"W set camera at 19,000 feet.
Plant Vogtle Units 3&4: 33° 8'28.19"N / 81°46'11.08"W set camera at 16,500 feet.

You will see significant site preparation including new the switchyard, concrete batch plant construction complete, site foundation preparation complete, construction/assembly building complete, placement megalift crane nearing completion etc...


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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2011 11:52 am 
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Here is the current (as of 12/07/2011) schedule: http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactor ... legend.pdf

Note that Vogtle is to have the COL issued by end of Dec/2011 and VC Summer sometime in Jan/2012. I think those will slip no more than 60 days each. We'll see.


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