Nuclear Developments in Poland

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Post by jagdish » Apr 06, 2018 12:29 am

Europe has banned Russian nuclear plants and some have been discontinued in an advanced construction stage. The West European nuclear industry is in a bad state. German companies have discontinued nuclear due to domestic ban on all nuclear. Areva has broken up after getting in trouble all over. There is no working EPR. I pity Poland and Russian clients who have fallen for ECM.
Perhaps European nuclear should move independent of politicians and cooperate with rosatom.

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Post by camiel » Apr 08, 2018 2:25 pm

jagdish wrote:Europe has banned Russian nuclear plants and some have been discontinued in an advanced construction stage. The West European nuclear industry is in a bad state. German companies have discontinued nuclear due to domestic ban on all nuclear. Areva has broken up after getting in trouble all over. There is no working EPR. I pity Poland and Russian clients who have fallen for ECM.
Perhaps European nuclear should move independent of politicians and cooperate with rosatom.
Well, some Russian VVERs are being built in Finland and Hungary, both EU-countries. The Czech Republic is also considering the construction of new nuclear plants, including VVER-designs. The Czechs can manufacture a lot of the components needed for such nuclear plants themselves (Skoda JS, Doosan Skoda Power, etc), so they won't be completely dependent on Russian suppliers.

You're right about Poland. Poland has a much more troubled relationship with Russia than the Czech Republic or Hungary. So yes, the chance of Russian VVERs being built in Poland is basically zero. This is also the case with countries in Western Europe (UK, et cetera), where the Russians will have little or no chance due to politics, although the modern VVERs are good and proven designs.
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Post by E Ireland » Apr 08, 2018 6:31 pm

There are reports that a modern VVER was in the running to get the slot in the GDA that eventually went to the HPR-1000.

The VVER has a lot of interesting features, and a hybrid design between Western and Russian practice might produce interesting results.
(Personally I think VVER steam generator design is superior, for example)

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Post by KitemanSA » Apr 11, 2018 5:59 am

Poland:
If you are going to build MSRs, heck, any type of reactor, you may want to build a few with PCM thermal storage and with 2x12/7 power islands. This might help you survive Germany’s monomania with silly solar.
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Post by Kirk Sorensen » May 14, 2018 12:08 pm

Poland’s largest power group opts to back wind over nuclear

Exclusive: PGE picks Baltic wind over nuclear as Poland embraces green power
One source said PGE could not fund both projects and cheap technology had swung the decision in favor of wind. PGE could still play a smaller role in the nuclear project which has been delayed and still needs government approval. “PGE cannot afford both — offshore wind and nuclear. The decision was taken to go for offshore,” the source said.
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Post by jagdish » May 17, 2018 7:16 am

Intermittent nature of wind energy means that storage has to be part of basic design unless other types of power form the bulk of supply. Compressed air strikes me as logical storage match. It could be underwater in offshore wind and modified in land based power.
Compressed air could be used via pneumatic motors for mechanical use saving on conversion to electric power. Lighting and electronic use can be met from photo electric generation in a distributed generation system.
This is the course if you do not have a stomach for nuclear.

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Post by Kirk Sorensen » Nov 05, 2018 12:52 pm

Poland needs nuclear power, explains energy minister
Poland produces most of its electricity from coal and imported gas, and Tchorzewski has warned that the country will not meet European Union carbon emissions reduction targets unless it revives plans to build a nuclear power plant. In 1990, coal-fired power plants accounted for 98% of electricity in Poland. Today its share is 80%.

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Post by jagdish » Nov 05, 2018 8:00 pm

Perhaps they should get a couple of Russian/Chinese nuclear plants and use them to produce clean particulate free gas for gas turbines.

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Post by Asteroza » Nov 06, 2018 7:04 pm

jagdish wrote:Perhaps they should get a couple of Russian/Chinese nuclear plants and use them to produce clean particulate free gas for gas turbines.
They can get the floating ones delivered to Gdansk easily enough.

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Post by Kirk Sorensen » Nov 13, 2018 7:51 am

Poland, USA sign Joint Declaration of Energy Security
Poland and the USA have signed a Joint Declaration of Energy Security, which emphasises the expansion of their cooperation in a variety of areas, including civil nuclear energy. The document was signed in Warsaw yesterday by Polish Energy Minister Krzysztof Tchórzewski and US Secretary of Energy Rick Perry.

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Post by Kirk Sorensen » Dec 04, 2018 6:43 am

Nuclear included in Poland's draft energy policy
According to a timetable included in the document, a financing model for a nuclear power project will need to be formulated by the end of this year, while changes to Poland's legislation would need to be made next year. The selection of the location for the first plant would be made in 2020, while the selection of the technology and general contractor would take place the following year. A programme to develop the human resources necessary for a nuclear energy programme would begin in 2019. The first plant - with a capacity of 1.0 to 1.5 GWe - would be completed by 2033. Up to six reactors, with a combined capacity of 6-9 GWe, would be put into operation by 2043. Two possible sites in northern Poland are under consideration for the first reactors: Lubiatowo-Kopalino and Zarnowiec. Construction of a nuclear power plant began at Zarnowiec in the early 1980s, but that project was abandoned following the Chernobyl accident in Ukraine in 1986.

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Post by Kirk Sorensen » Dec 31, 2018 4:21 pm

Trump helping Europe cut the electric cord with Russia
The Trump administration is launching its next effort in helping Europe wean itself off of Russian energy by lending U.S. technology know-how to help cut the ties to the Russian electric grid, says a senior Energy Department official. Cutting the cord with Russia begins in Poland, where President Trump committed to President Andrzej Duda “that we would take every available step to help them,” Deputy Secretary of Energy Dan Brouillette told the Washington Examiner in an interview. Trump had told European leaders earlier in the year that they are "captives" to Russian energy, while opposing a deal to allow Russia build the Nord Stream II natural gas pipeline through Germany to supply the European Union.
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